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EVERYTHING ON THIS PAGE IS FOR SALE. AVAILABILITY: RIGHT NOW. PRICES: NEGOCIABLE. MAKE AN OFFER.

MOST ITEMS ARE NEW, RIGHT OUT OF DOC’S WORKSHOP. ALL ARE READY TO USE, UNLESS DESCRIBED OTHERWISE.

HOWEVER, EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE, WHITE MUZZLELOADING COMES ACROSS A BARGAIN OR ACCUMULATES TOO MANY ITEMS OR SOMETIMES JUST WANTS TO EMPHASIZE A PARTICULAR PRODUCT. (or maybe even get rid of it) Sometimes we just get anxious to get shut of the thing or cut our losses.

THOSE ITEMS WILL BE ILLUSTRATED ON THIS PAGE. THEY ARE ALL IMMEDIATELY AVAILABLE, NO WAITING. PRICED LOW TO ATTRACT YOUR ATTENTION, SOMETIMES WE’LL THROW IN A KICKER TO MAKE THE BUY EVEN MORE ATTRACTIVE.

WHY ARE WE TELLING YOU ALL THIS? WELL, WE WANT YOU TO BUY IT! THEN WE CAN HAVE THE FUN OF BUILDING ANOTHER!

SAME GUARANTEES AS USUAL. IF YOU DON’T LIKE IT, YOU DON’T KEEP IT. MONEY BACK IF DISAPPOINTED.


 

                                                         Fall   SALE!


IMMEDIATELY AVAILABLE, NO WAITING. READY TO SHOOT. READY FOR THE HUNT AND RENDEZVOUS!



#808- Here is  a Rigby style Sporting Rifle in 451 caliber with 1-20 twist and shallow .035  grooves for long, heavy slip-fit bullets, same specs and bullets as those used in  White  brand rifles.  Walnut pistol grip stock, plain but excellent grain,   super-strong  Manton Breech,  Henry  percussion lock with drip bar  and Henry fore-end,  all iron furniture finished antique rust blue with browned barrel. Tuned single  trigger   for fine shooting,  graduated  three leaf rear sight, hooded front  sight.  FOR SALE.    POR  OBO

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These Sporting Rifles were designed for both sporting and target use.  The originals were designed by Whitworth. a genius in his own  time, ten inch groups at 1000 yards were not uncommon.  A 460 to 520  grain slip fit  lubricated bullet and 70-80 grains of fffG black powder  is not only accurate but takes game down dramatically, with more than 1200 ft lbs. of energy left at 200 yards. Substitute powders like PyrodexP and 777  work just as well, I especially like Blackhorn 209 with a 5 grain  black powder igniter.

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These rifles were the predecessors of the  heavy bullet Buffalo guns of the 1860’s. You can shoot this .451 rifle like a 45-70, a 45-90 or a 45-120 if you wish, depending only on the  weight of  bullet and powder charge. They are functionally elegant  and shoot circles around other  lesser muzzleloading rifles.  For  long range target or hunting, they can’t be beat.

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#  1001A  – White  G-Series  Whitetail rifle by DOC,  25 inch tapered new old stored barrel in 504 caliber, fast 1-24 twist, shallow .035 grooves by Criterion, best barrel White ever used. Solid maple stock designed and executed by Doc with inch  thick recoil pad, Timney adjustable trigger, sling swivels (not shown)

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There is a solid Weaver rail with Weaver forward mount rings and Delrin ramrod with built in cleaning jag.  The stock is particularly ergonomic and functionally elegant.

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The trigger safety is on the right, the bolt handle with built in secondary safety on the left, like a modern sub-machine gun.  White’s doc-designed nipple-breechplug uses a #11 percussion cap.  This rifle is very accurate with a Harvester  ribbed sabot and  Harvester  300 gr.  .45  caliber bullet  and  alsothe old  White 45 caliber 360 grain bullet, again in the Harvester ribbed sabot.  I have plenty of  the 45-360  bullets on hand.  

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This rifle is available  NOW. Taper barreled G-Series rifles set up for scope usually run $700.  I am offering a substantail discount on this rifle simply because the scope base screw holes were drilled and tapped slightly off to the right, so had to custom make a fitted base. (Maybe I should charge more for the custom work?)  You can’t see the difference until you remove the rings and the fit and function is just as good as if standard.  Guaranteed as usual.  So I will discount $100 and will accept $600 for the rifle. You buy it and I will throw in 20 each  360 grain .45o  caliber  bullets to shoot with Harvester 50 caliber sabots. If you want more bullets, $4 per tube of 10,  limit 1000 bullets,  this buy only.  A REAL VALUE FOR SALE $600  OBO 



 



#        –  White Thunder 12 ga shotgun, almost new, hardly used, excellent condition, with original pac of extra chokes. Straight rifled barrel for superb patterns, vented rib, black maple stock with inch thick recoil pad, adjustable rifle trigger.  Your buy guaranteed to please.   POR   OBO

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The gun is light and handles well, about 6 lbs.  Super Turkey 90% first shot choke available at extra cost.

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#754- H&R produced a single shot muzzleloading shotgun about 20 years ago. There’s not many around. It is basically a 12 gauge break open single shot but with a 209 POP-OUT breechplug. makes it really easy to clean.

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Pop open the action and you’ll find a place for a 209 primer where  you usually put a shotshell. Load it from the muzzle just like any muzzleloading shotgun. 

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The gun has been embellished with a Ruger recoil pad, pull is now  13.75 inches, a front barrel band with sling button, a rear sling button, a re-finish job with Brownell’s water-proof Acra-Wood and a Colonial hand reamed DOC -designed Super-Turkey .660 choke capable of 90%+ first shot patterns.  And it carries easy, weighs 6 lbs, pretty light for a 12 ga.,  so you will appreciate  the recoil pad.

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I want $300 for it, it’s worth every penny. Get in touch with me at doc@whitemuzzleloading. It’s ready to ship and I will send a few of the special plastic shot collars that load through that tight .660 choke.



#816 Early Snapphaunce rifle, modeled after the snaphaunce musket brought over by John Forbes perhaps on the Mayflower. If you want a really early rifle, this is it. The Forbes gun was made probably about 1590-1610.   FOR SALE-  BEST OFFER  POR OBO

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The barrel is a Colerain, 50 caliber swamped, 38 inches long, the lock manufactured by Doc from a kit supplied by the Rifle Shoppe. The stock is plain walnut,  commonly used early on. There is no figure but the wood is lovely with solid, tight grain, oil finished. I know that it looks clumsy, but it has the same basic lines as a  Browning Citori shotgun. It throws up to the shoulder a lot better  than you would think, the trigger is soft and fully controllable and it sparks nicely. Locktime is far faster than you would think.  I quite like it.

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The snaphaunce was an early flintlock, featuring the horizontal sear of the even earlier wheelock, an open frizzen which requires a pan cover and a mechanism to open it on fall of the hammer plus a big spring to actuate all the moving parts. Sounds clumsy and complicated and it was, compared to the later true flintlock with vertical sear and combination frizzen and pan cover. But many were imported into the New World during the 1600’s and early 1700’s. They were the best there was at the time.

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White TOMINATOR muzzleloading shotgun. Brand new with new old stored Ray Eye signature barrel, black painted hard maple DOC-designed  stock, steel trigger guard, Timney adjustable rifle trigger with side safety, Delrin ramrod with double brass ends, screw in Hastings II full choke, (other sizes available at extra cost), inch thick recoil pad,  14 inch pull, weight about 6.5 lbs.

This shotgun has a straight rifled barrel, like the most expensive trap guns. If you follow DOC’s instructions and use the components he recommends, 90% or better first shot patterns are achievable. Turkeys die at 50 yards, field proven.

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Price $600 plus S&H, usually about $30-40 anywhere in CONUS.  

 



 

#672- Wheelock by Zelner, made in the 16th century in Austria,  I have had the lock for 35 years, I had intended to stock a rifle using it, but I doubt that I have the skill to justify the effort. It’s probably worth more by itself than it is in a restocked rifle. It really belongs in a museum. It’s for sale.  POR

This original lock is by Caspar Zelner, one of a family who made guns in Austria in the 1500’s.  The lock dates from probably the late part of that century. He was a well known maker. It has stimulated me to build several wheel-locks. I finally found a lock kit that resembles it. See project #715 at the bottom of  ‘custom traditional’.



#789-  This gun was stunted from birth,  the buttstock was cracked and the fore-end crooked , so I amputated to save its life and it became a Blanket Gun. Made me feel like a Civil war surgeon. It sports all the usual  features of a NorthWest gun in 20 bore, except no buttplate or ramrod pipes. The Indians may have hidden these guns under blankets but they were more often used horseback like a heavy dragoon pistol, one shot then it became a club. I  applied  a few tacks to Indian it up some, and it grew some beads and feathers, too. The barrel illustrated is the back end of the real thing. Try a .600 caliber ball and about 80 grains Black. It will brighten  up your night.

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The barrel was custom made by Kelley, about 14″ long, tapered and banded. The lock is an English Trade lock by Davis, the trigger is meant to be pulled with two fingers, just like your Indian buddy  pulls a bowstring.

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 NorthWest guns came with all kinds of finishes,  this one sports antique rust    blueing of barrel and lock.   The color is a deep blue-black.  Buck Conner  says the best all original  NW gun  with original  finish  that he knows of  was rust blued in this fashion.  The trigger guard has been left in the white, nicely polished,  because the originals were , too.  Some of the photos show details in the white. I was just too busy to re-do all the photos.

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The gun has a stainless counter-bored touch-hole liner for quick ignition. The barrel is smooth-bore, of course. It has never been fired, not even a scratch on the frizzen.  The barrel is marked with my cipher, plus  LONDON and  a tombstone fox  on the top flat, a blossom with TB on the oblique flat, along with  GRRW  CA   NW o3,  (third NW Gun built by the CA), since it has become one of the new GRRW Collecror’s Ass’n guns.

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Make me an offer I can’t refuse. POR OBO   

 



#823- A reproduction of my ‘Favorite’ Hawken.  Done as original as I can get it, with case hardened and antique  rust blued furniture. See my article on ‘the Traditional Hawken” in  ‘Doc’s Ramblings’,  above. This the GRRW Collector’s Ass’n H-1 Hawken

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Sorry, but it’s already SOLD. If you want one like it, get in touch with DOC at doc@whitemuzzleloading.com.



#728 Kings German Legion (KGL) Rifle-

Here comes a Kings German Legion Rifle, used by George’s personal regiment of mounted troops, known to be extremely professional and effective in the Napoleonic conflicts. This short rifle has a 62 caliber, swamped octagon 28.5″ barrel mounted in a Long Land style fullstock, which means it looks  a lot like a short Brown Bess with a Baker style flintlock and  iron ramrod. There was no bayonet or sling swivel. The rifle was carried in a boot. The walnut is elegant, as were many of the originals, the King personally picking up the bill for accutrements. This fine rifle is now at Track of the Wolf. GoTo their website, trackofthewolf.com, click on guns and then flintlock guns. Their photos are bright and beautiful. Deal with them if you want to buy it.

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The lock and  tang are  beautifully  case hardened in colour.  The walnut is especially colorful as well.  Only the best for the King’s personal troops.

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The KGL Rifle looks  a lot like the earlier ‘ American’  rifle, used by the Brits in our Revolution. The KGL  cavalry was among the first to use horses for fast transportation, then dismounting to fight on foot. The rifle gave them the advantage of accuracy at a distance.

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This will make a terrific hunting rifle. It’s short and handy, throws a big ball for big game, has an iron ramrod, double leaf rear sights and broad butt to reduce felt recoil. It’s a hard to beat combination.



 



#773- In-line  bullseye target pistol by DOC, Alex Hamilton percussion action and trigger , Rayl .50 caliber fast twist barrel for patch and round ball, sports palm, finger and thumb rest, fully adjustable rear sight and target front plus an adjustable under-grip to lock the hand in place. FOR SALE $300 OR BEST OFFER

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Note the thumb rest on the left grip and the finger tip slots. The under-grip is adjustable. The trigger pull is light and can be adjusted to your needs.

The pull cock at the rear cocks the action. Best lTargetPistolFullRightoad so far 20 grains of 3F Black, a ticking patch and a .490 ball. It is far more accurate than I can hold it.

The wood got a coat of grey-black Dura-coat. The barrel and action are forest green. Trigger pull is very light. It’s a great bulls-eye shooter.



#802- A Doc-designed MK-6 all grown up, the sixth   iteration of my Kashlinikov-like muzzleloader, in .504 caliber  with the barrel underneath the ramrod and the action apparently  upside down. It’s ugly as Hell, but very effective and ergonomic.   Make me an offer I can’t refuse. OBO

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It carries a red/green dot one power scope, legal in most Western states for deer and elk. Caliber is .504 with fast 1-24 twist and shallow grooves for 50 caliber saboted bullets and Doc’s heavy elongated slip-fit .5035 bullets, up to 600 gr. in this caliber.  Brand New.  Never Fired.

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This MK has a White nipple-breechplug for #11 cap. A 209 conversion kit can be ordered from ‘whiterifles.com.’

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I had to invent the trigger group. The trigger pull is adjustable and set at 3 lbs which is about as low as you go on a hunting rifle.. It should be obvious that this is an upside-down stainless steel White M97 Whitetail Hunter action and barrel. Both are new old-stored stock. . The only thing different is the trigger group and the conformation of the stock. The cocking handle  acts as a very secure safety. Pull it back and DOWN for ‘safe’, shown left above, and and pull it UP for ‘fire’, shown above.

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Recoil is relatively mild and very straight back because of the stock shape. The muzzle does not climb much at all.  It’s ugly but handles amazingly well and always gets lots of attention.  FOR SALE $500 OBO Make me an offer I can’t refuse.



#601 Remington Rolling Block Black Powder action re-barreled to 50-110 by DOC, Barrel is by Douglas, never fired, round, 1 1/8th inch diameter and 30 inches long. Buttstock is maple by Treebone, the temporary fore-end is a chunk of plain walnut, it will eventually be replaced with matching maple. Pull is 14 inches. Weighs about 10 lbs. The bore is beautiful, never fired, and it should be an excellent shooter. It was meant to end up sporting a tang mounted ladder rear sight and globe front which are NOT included in the current price. FFL not needed. For sale as is without sights or finish. You finish it now and save a lot of money.  It is cheap because the extractor is not fitted. You fit it and you can have it for a measly #700  OBO.

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260- French dueling pistol in 50 caliber with multi-groove barrel, second of a set of two, marked #2 in gold on tang,  (don’t know where the first one is) quite accurate with 20 grains ffg and .490 ball and thin patch , single set trigger fires set or unset, , beautiful swirl Damascus twist barrel in excellent shape. Boxed. I have won matches with this one—————-$1500  OBO

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#661- 8 bore double ‘smoothbore  rifle’, that’s 83 caliber, in a beautiful, close-grained, very solid walnut stock, meant to shoot a 2 oz. patched ball at truly big stuff, like rhino and elephant. Barrels are 24 inches long, side by side, regulated to group at 25 yards with up to 300 grains black powder. Weight came out at about 12+ lbs. Should be a grand back up gun. I even bought a Led-Sled just so I could regulate this one. POR OBO

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And this is what we end up with, a symphony of blue, brown and silver fit for any elephant in the world, think of the music it will play in the jungle.
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The African hunter Selous talks about using such guns as this at 10-15 yards on elephant, of course with a back up gun or two and a loader at his elbow for each. He carried coarse powder loose in a bag over one shoulder and hardened balls in another over the other shoulder, loading powder ‘by the handful’. Only the first shot was patched. Any load after the first was bare ball for speed. He took pride in putting down a half dozen of the big gray brutes in a flurry of shooting, then going on to another herd. And all this for just the ivory. He made a fortune doing it. Think of all the adventure! think of all the risk!. Think of all the hard work. Ugh. FOR SALE    POR OBO



Elegant Bridger Hawken rifles like this one are available on custom order from DOC.  Inquire at doc@whitemuzzleloading.com.

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#804= Early side by side combo rifle-shotgun, conformation of locks looks almost like it was converted from flintlock. That or was a transitional arm come into being just as the new percussion principle was adapted into the market around 1815.  There is a 12 bore shotgun barrel on the right  and a .500 caliber fast twist shallow groove rifle barrel on the left. The barrels are symmetrical, the 12 bore barrel is fitted with a Colonial brand inter-changable choke, the rifle barrel has a fast 1-28 twist and shallow grooves for shooting heavy elongated slip-fit bullets or sabots. FOR SALE   POR   OBO

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There are side by side double percussion locks, hooked breeches, double triggers, all iron furniture except a trace of silver here and there. Both barrels are regulated  to hit into the same group at 50 yards with bullet in the rifle barrel or patched round ball in the smoothbore barrel.. I used 100 grains of black powder in both barrels with all trial loads. The patched .715 ball grouped into about three-four inches at 50 yards. The saboted 300 grain bullet from the fast 1-28 twist shallow groove rifle barrel went into half that. (Please remember that my eyes are 80 years along). A 1 7/8ths   ounce load of #6 shot in a tapered shotcup shot a 70% pattern with a Colonial Full choke tube, and shot a 90% pattern with my .665   Super Turkey tube. (which is available at extra cost)
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The combo double is ready for whitetail or turkey or both. It  weighs about 9 lbs but like most doubles it handles quite well, balance is excellent.

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The front trigger fires the right sided smoothbore barrel which is equipped with a Colonial brand inter-changable choke. The rear trigger fires the left sided rifle barrel. Because of the right-left geometry of the trigger group, the left trigger is softer than the right, making the rifle trigger easier to trip and  more accurate.
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White Super 2000 lube for bullets and barrel. I have a case of this superior lube left. It’s great stuff for White bullets and sabots, or for that matter, any muzzleloading bullet or sabot. $10 per can, enough for hundreds of bullets, plus $3 S&H if ordered alone. (I can ship it in a small padded envelope.)

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CUSTOM BISON-  I lucked into some new old stored White  .504 barrel blanks by Criterion, bought  when White Systems went under. They are 20 years old but in perfect condition. Criterion made the best barrels White ever used. 

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Pictured above is  a new Custom Bison , the bull  barrel trimmed to one inch diameter, 24+  inches long,  (the originals had a 20 inch barrel) , 504 caliber, with  a new Doc-designed  custom stock in tough maple, designed specifically for use with a scope.  Old stored original Bison  parts   complete the action. The trigger is  by  Timney, same as on a Mauser bolt rifle, adjustable for weight of pull. The  rifle is supplied with Weaver  scope bases.  Dovetailed  leaf adjustable open  rear  and brass bead  front  sights are optionally available at extra cost. The rifle comes  with a black matte  Dura-Coat finish on  the barreled action and black  metallic paint on the  stock.

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The photos shows a finished  Bison  without  sling swivels but with  Weaver scope mounts and front and rear sights.  The basic charge for the rifle without the  sights but with sling swivels   and  scope bases  is  $600.   These rifles are super accurate, functionally elegant,  ergonomic and  worth every penny.  

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NOTE: The rifle illustrated above  is custom.  You can have one like it on custom order.  Since the rifle is custom,  on any future order you can have:

any barrel length you want shorter than 25 inches;

any color Dura-coat you want, even pink for your lady;  

any length pull shorter than 14 inches;

dovetailed front and rear open sights- either an adjustable  folding leaf or a long spring adjustable rear sight;  either a brass  or red bead front sight; 

a rear mounted Lyman 57A totally adjustable  peep,  all o the above  at extra cost.

I keep Weaver forward  mounted 1″ scope rings on hand. too. $25 a set, as well as the Weaver scope bases and  dovetailed rear and front open sights mentioned above. (you will need forward scope mounts  because of the short receiver length on the Bison) The old Warne steel mounts are no longer available but their QD rings are.) Order the rifle you want by emailing DOC at doc@whitemuzzleloading.com  



Custom Whitetail 504 caliber rifles by DOC

You are seeing a grown up  custom  Whitetail  rifle in 451 or.504 caliber  with a new (but old stored) tapered Criterion barrel ( best and most accurate barrel White ever used) and a new DOC- designed tough maple stock. The barrel is 1.10″ at breech, .840″ at muzzle and nearly 25″ long. This is the same barrel as on a White  M97  Whitetail Hunter. The finished rifle sports  a Timney  adjustable trigger with trigger safety on the right. A second safety is built into the pull-cock, just snap it up into the lock notch for super double  safety. The rifle comes with  Weaver scope bases plus  new old stored original Whitetail  internal action parts. The finish is  black matte DuraCoat on the metal and black metallic paint on the wood. 

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This is essentially the same rifle as the Custom  Bison rifle  illustrated above, but with  a tapered  .504 Criterion barrel.  All the custom features described for the Bison above  as are also available for this taper barrel rifle, except the  front and rear barrel sights , which  screw on,   not dovetailed as on the Bison. The tapered barrel is more expensive to manufacture so the price for this rifle as shown,  ready to mount a scope and shoot is $700.  

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 Custom Whitetail rifles will be normally supplied with Weaver bases for scope but without open sights, since most modern shooters mount a scope. Williams or Marble adjustable ramp rear and bead front sights are available as an extra cost option, as are any other rear or front sight of your choice.



buckbuster45-360plasticpac llustrated here  are  old, but new stored,  360 grain all lead slip-fit bullets for .451 size barrels. They are sized at .450 and are designed to shoot  in all White brand .451 barrels and in all other brands .45 caliber  barrels as well. I am out of the original plastic packs but have hundreds of the SuperKeepers with 10 bullets each.

This bullet is a terrific game bullet, not only in 45 caliber rifles but also for 50 caliber rifles shooting  sabots for 450 caliber bullets.  The 360 brain bullet is perfect for high velocity sabot shooting rifles. I like the Harvester ribbed sabot in 50 cal for 45 cal bullets with 100 grains 209 Blackhorn for about 1700 fps and terrific knock down. The bullet is soft lead with 2% tin and mushrooms beautifully.

Price $5 per SuperKeeper of 10 bullets or $50 per 10 packs (100 bullets)plus S&H, USPS Priority, at actual cost. E-mail doc@whitemuzzleloading.com to order. Discounts available for large orders.



 

GRRW pistol barrels, 45 caliber, fast 1-20 twist, deep rifled for patched round ball, 15/16″  diameter, just right for  a Hawken pistol, which is what they were originally made for.

pistol-barrels-45-calNo, that’s not corrosion on the barrels, just grease. Bores are brand new.  The longer barrel and one of the shorter ones are SOLD.  Only two of the shorter barrels left.  the  barrels are not breechedbut are   crowned, so they are cheap.  I would like $50 or the shorter ones but I will look hard at offers.  If they hang around too long, they will probably turn into pistols. It’s magic how that happens. 



 

 



 

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